Friere September 9, 2007

I agree with the Authentic Thinking. The relationship between the teacher and the student should be an open-ended relationship; I believe that the teaching and the learning should go both ways between the teachers and the students. Teachers should partly base their thinking off of what the students think partly off what they think, and partly off what books/research says. “The teacher’s thinking is authenticated only by the authenticity of the students’ thinking. The teacher cannot think for her students, nor can she impose her thought on them.” (Friere 532)

david luce, friere September 9, 2007

There are so many different approaches to education, and there are so many different types. honestly i read this and it seemed like he was just trying to set up a classroom sort of like a sacratic seminer, which is nothing new. The differnce is that he felt everything should be learned and that everyone would be able to get along and it would work. Honestly he had a great plan, i see it as just a modernized rip off of sacrates methods, but still some slight adjustments to it, because things are still being taught rather than just discussed. i feel that it would be great in a group of people that all want to learn together and are open minded. but one of the things ive learned are that humans are inharenty evil so it would not work for everyone. in smaller groups of highly motivated people it is great. but honestly at least in a lot of the places ive been, discipline, although it sucks when your young and dont understand it, is very important and most of the youth today need discipline and structure in a large portion of their education. not all of it, like a few classes set up like that would be great, but it would need to be divided up and throw  his ideas, with emersons ideas and newmans ideas and some sacrates/plato ideas, mix it all up throughout differnt parts of life mix a little together and you have an ideal educational system. whether it would ever work or not i do not know, but it would be ideal. “like communism on paper”

now im going to bed.

Jon R- friere posting September 9, 2007

i personally think friere’s thoughts on education were revolutionary for his time . because  of the way he viewed and advertised  his thoughts on education we have our modern system of education. of course there is still that element of memorization, however more and more teachers try to actively engage their students and essentially allow them to teach. this not only teaches them but also his peers. this is a far more engaging and thus practical method of teaching. his these reasons i agree with friere’s ideas on education and the means in which it is achieved.

Posting 3 – Freire From Julia. GK September 9, 2007

B)  “Freire propose education practices modeled on progressive political relationship.” (P530) I agree with what Freire was saying. I think there should be equal between teachers and students. Teachers should not just stand in high level to look at their students as they do know nothing. And students should ask why and how. The banking concept of education is not a good way to educate people, because students cannot really enjoy from learning.

     Nowadays still has some countries “filling” knowledge to students, they want to change this situation but it is really hard for them. I think they need more time to change their education system.

too tired for a title…. September 9, 2007

now, everyone else is saying how such a great ide this type of teaching would be, but only in a perfect world would it work as i see it.

 i mean come on, every student in the class getting along great in the student/teacher relatiohship. there is always at least one black sheep in any classroom. and from classes i’ve hd, i would love a teacher and otheres would hate them with a major passion. we are not perfect. you can never get a full group of people together and expect them all to like each other, why expect in this type of classroom set up? i also noticed there was nothing on class size. 1 teacher to 30 students with less than 1 year to get to know each other…what relationship? have you ever notice theres’ a select few who truly get along with a teacher? now 1 to 5 would gain a better chance at this theory would it not? but it still will not be perfect. now think of the time frame, less than one year. personally having the same teacher for your life of education would be better. there woudl be better communication because then everyone knew what could be handled, what couldnt be and where progress was nedded in the relationship between the teacher nd the student.  and another thing, if these students are being seperated every year from their first time classmates and their teachers, what bonds do you expect to form? this would be like takin a gnewborn from her mother and giving her a new mother every single year. consistency is needed. same teacher to bond and grow with, the same classmates as well and this theory of a student-teacher everyone learning not memorizing has a much better shot than in our actual reality…..i agree its a wonderful idea, but you gotta get there first.

banking and education, by christian September 9, 2007

the ideal classroom setup for todays education is similar to the views of friere. having teachers and students teach each other is benefital to both sides. this breaks the tradional way schools are structure. students shouldnt be considered a ignorant ”recepticals to be filled by the teacher”.s fill. i think the banking analogy is a perfect example of how many schools administer their education. i agree with friere’s ideas on how a school should be run. rather than memorizing facts and dates we should be discussing real situations that pertain to the subject matter. as friere says, “problem-posing”, is an effective way to discuss and communicate ideas.

teachers and students act as resources for one another September 9, 2007

D)
My ideal setting for a classroom is very similar to that of Friere’s. The idea that students and teachers work off one of another seems to be a crucial idea that can follow up on ideas of education that Newman and Plato brush apon in there writings. Teachers are there to administer information and to lead by example by showing people how to do things. Friere says that the students are not just there to take from the teachers but to also interact and teach the teachers in a way. This to me is the ideal for a classroom setting. A classroom where the teacher and student feel that they are kind of on the same level and that one is not better and smarter than the other. In my past these kind of teachers that want to take the time and listen to my ideas and possible learn something from my experiences and my ideas, seem to be my favorite teachers and i want to learn more from them. Working with one another can help one another and a heirachy of knowledge seems should not stop from working together.

My Opinion by Cam September 9, 2007

Answering D)

Friere came up with an education system that makes a lot of sense and as a student for most of my life, I have experienced both sides of the spectrum. Obviously I prefer Friere’s idea of education and being taught rather than being force fed facts that are to be memorized. It is always advantageous for myself to know why 4 x 4 is 16 and not just memorize it, though both are actually necessary when it comes down to it. But if memorization can be a by product in the process of actually learning of why 4×4 is 16, then the latter is superior.

  Second thing that I will note is that Freire makes his teacher’s “she’s” in his writing, but at the end he makes the teacher a “he.” Why is this? Is he striving for equality, or is he just trying to avoid writing he/she everytime he reference’s a teacher? I’m not sure what it was, but I thought it was interesting…

September 9, 2007

For me the ideal classroom is where the teacher and his students are equal, at eye level. I think this is the same opinion, Friere is referring to: not an environment, where the teacher is commanding respect, and has the authority over everyone and everything. I prefer an exchange between both sides, so that learning is more like a game than a lecture, but I also think, that some things cannot be taught the way Friere is recommending, some things you have to memorize, things that are established. Maybe in these situations the teacher should discuss the background and/or history with the student and this will lead to a better an deeper understanding.

So all in all I would prefer some kind of a mix between an atmosphere where students and the teacher are on the same level, but I would also say, that in some situations the teacher has to be a person of respect, otherwise the learning environment would suffer.

Ideal Classroom By Mac September 9, 2007

B) I agree with friere stating that education should be liberated.  i think that the teacher should take as much away from a class dicussion as the student.  therefore the teacher should learn as much from her students as the students learn from her.  the ideal learning style is the teacher throws out something to dicuss and the students put all of there thoughts for imput towards the topic and the teacher should throw her thoughts into the dicussion as well.  as friere states “the teacher expounds on a topic completely alien to the existential experience of the students.  his task is to “fill” the students with the contents of his narration.” i think that this is saying that the only time a teacher should dictate is when the students have no idea what the topic is about.  “only through communication can human life hold meaning.  the teacher’s thing is authenticated only by the authenticity of the students’ thinking.  the teacher cannot think for her students, nor can she impose her thought on them.” Friere (p. 532-533) this quote is the basis for my ideal classroom to me it is stating that the teacher cannot dictate thought onto her students, this is the whole basis for discussion.

Freire September 9, 2007

I really liked what Freire said. I think that students and teachers should have a relationship but the students shouldn’t just have to be like robots. Most of the teachers I have had love to give out busy work and make you learn useless stuff. The teachers who are the best and who you learn from are the ones who get involved. They allow you to do more self discovering rather than learning facts and filling the students with “narration.”

Marie-Freire on Education September 9, 2007

There are so many true things about what Freire is saying regarding the teacher student relationship because especially in elementary school, I felt that I was being preached to and then I was supposed to learn it, plant it in my brain and move on. This direct or “banking method” of teaching and learning is effective in certain ways such as that it teaches facts and dates. However, this is not the only factor in educating children or any age. Freire quotes “Education thus becomes an act of depositing, in which the students are the depositories and the teacher is the depositor.” (Freire, 531) However, in order to create free thinking, open minded students there needs to be communication and more critical learning sessions for new ideas to emerge and this will in turn create students who love to learn and interact with teachers and fellow students. This eliminates the teachers superiority over the students because they feel as though they are all learning together in a group instead of being taught at by an adult figure. All in all, this would be the ideal situation, however it would prove quite difficult in todays society due to it’s demanding nature on teachers and the entire education system.

The Ideal Class Room by Tommy Domingo September 9, 2007

 I strongley do agree with what Friere was saying.  I think that there should be a take and give relationship between the teacher and the student.  Sure with “banking education” the students will learn the facts but with liberating education as Friere says, “only through communication can human life hold meaning.”  When you have a teacher that communicates with you and actually values what you say in class it can give the students new outlooks on everything including life as a whole.  When there is a teacher student connection it actually means something. There is not just shell at the front of the class trying to inject knowledge but only further alienating themselves from thier students.  I think that Friere was right when he said that there needs to be “teacher-students” with “student-teachers” in a class.

Posting 3 Friere by Jennifer September 9, 2007

I think that the ideal relationship between teachers and students should be equal.  You are there to learn from them.  In order to do so, you must communicate and learn from each other.  I agree with the Oppressive Society.  It seems that we have all had a teacher at one point or another that criticizes the students for their wrongdoing.  You have to admit to your mistakes before you can fix them.  If your teacher is not taking any credit for the mistakes it is hard to learn from them.  We are hopefully all here to learn and it takes just as much from the student as it takes from the teacher to accomplish this.

Coleridge’s Post on Friere (Now With more Pink Floyd) September 9, 2007

I loved this story. For many reason’s, one, I found it the easiest to read, two, I understood what Friere was saying, and three I completely agree with what Friere is saying. Friere said that teachers were like oppressors, in some cases, at least at my high school, that is true, some teachers get so power crazed they would just try to show dominance with the students constantly reminding them of how stupid, infantile, or useless they can be. But that’s just it, we are, we came to school to get an education, we don’t need to be reminded how ignorant we are, we are trying to change that. To sum it all up I compare my ideas to Pink Floyd’s Another Brick in the Wall, Which I feel define what Friere and I are trying to say “We don’t need no education. We don’t need no self control. The dark sarcasm in the classroom, Hey! Teacher leave those kids alone. Hey! Teacher leave those kids alone. All we are is just another brick in the wall”

I have turned comments on, I would like to hear from you guys and get a discussion going, or something like that.
Thanks for your co-operation.
~Ridge